Liberated Learning
Liberated Learning is a podcast that believes play is the space where children claim freedom, rehearse democracy, and exercise agency. To stand for play is to stand against control. To guard children's right to play is to declare that their liberation matters, even in a world that insists otherwise. Each week, Kisa Marx and Mike Huber have a casual but passionate conversation about how they put these ideas into action with young children. They're talking about a revolution but it sounds like a whisper.
Episodes

4 days ago
4 days ago
26 min
Code switching is perspective shifting. It involves the cultural context of the speaker and the intended audience. Kisa and Mike discuss some of the gray areas of code switching. They then pivot to working with children and the importance of flexibility and taking each child's perspective.
Kisa can be found at The Playlab Foundation and Mike at Inclusion Includes Us, on Instagram and Facebook. Their books are available at https://www.redleafpress.org/
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Theme music by John's Black Dirt https://johnsblackdirt.bandcamp.com/album/horrible-moments-of-upness

Aug 17, 2026
Aug 17, 2026
21 min
When we talk to other educators, we want to be clear and intentional. But that does not mean each of us will use the same words. Kisa finds that Chat GPT will whitewash her words when she uses her Southside vernacular. Mike's white suburban upbringing more closely mirrors normative language. All communication has a cultural context. Kisa and Mike talk through ways they choose when to use academic jargon, conversational language, quotes from songs or vernacular. There is no singular "correct" language, but rather it is contextual. Too often, when the argot of educators is used, there is an assumption that people will look up unfamiliar terms. If a phrase is non-normative (i.e., not from white middle class culture), people expect it to be defined. Sometimes you just got to stumble through it.
Kisa can be found at The Playlab Foundation and Mike at Inclusion Includes Us, on Instagram and Facebook. Their books are available at https://www.redleafpress.org/
Did you know you can support the hosting costs of The Early Childhood Nerdwork on Patreon, and get Discord access to talk nerdy with like-minded folks too? https://patreon.com/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd
Theme music by John's Black Dirt https://johnsblackdirt.bandcamp.com/album/horrible-moments-of-upness

Aug 10, 2026
Aug 10, 2026
22 min
When we Interact with children, we often use scripts, phrases we can repeat to get children engaged. Scripts can be helpful for beginning a conversation or working through emotional times. But relying too much on a script can take us out of the moment. We need to be sure to connect to the child, not the script.
Kisa can be found at The Playlab Foundation and Mike at Inclusion Includes Us, on Instagram and Facebook. Their books are available at https://www.redleafpress.org/
Did you know you can support the hosting costs of The Early Childhood Nerdwork on Patreon, and get Discord access to talk nerdy with like-minded folks too? https://patreon.com/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd
Theme music by John's Black Dirt https://johnsblackdirt.bandcamp.com/album/horrible-moments-of-upness

Aug 3, 2026
Aug 3, 2026
20 min
Our conversation with Cay Burton turns more personal when Cay talks about their hope to be the adult they needed when they were a child. Cay reminds us that we don't need to have all the answers. We just need to approach difference with compassion, acceptance and love.
Cay's article can be downloaded using this link: https://journals.uvic.ca/index.php/jcs/issue/view/1643
Cayley Burton (she/they) has a Master of Education (MEd) in early childhood education from the University of British Columbia. Cayley is a queer early childhood educator, researcher, advocate, and writer living on Treaty 7 territory in Calgary, Alberta (Mohkinstsis in Blackfoot). Email: cayburton@outlook.com
Kisa can be found at The Playlab Foundation and Mike at Inclusion Includes Us, on Instagram and Facebook. Their books are available at https://www.redleafpress.org/
Did you know you can support the hosting costs of The Early Childhood Nerdwork on Patreon, and get Discord access to talk nerdy with like-minded folks too? https://patreon.com/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd
Theme music by John's Black Dirt https://johnsblackdirt.bandcamp.com/album/horrible-moments-of-upness

Jul 27, 2026
Jul 27, 2026
28 min
Liberation requires that each member of a community feels free to be themselves while accepting others for being themselves. Our differences are gifts--not threats--to collective well-being. We continue our discussion with Cay Burton focusing on how adult fears can interrupt children's appreciation of the range of human experience.
Cay's article can be downloaded using this link: https://journals.uvic.ca/index.php/jcs/issue/view/1643
Cayley Burton (she/they) has a Master of Education (MEd) in early childhood education from the University of British Columbia. Cayley is a queer early childhood educator, researcher, advocate, and writer living on Treaty 7 territory in Calgary, Alberta (Mohkinstsis in Blackfoot). Email: cayburton@outlook.com
Kisa can be found at The Playlab Foundation and Mike at Inclusion Includes Us, on Instagram and Facebook. Their books are available at https://www.redleafpress.org/
Did you know you can support the hosting costs of The Early Childhood Nerdwork on Patreon, and get Discord access to talk nerdy with like-minded folks too? https://patreon.com/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd
Theme music by John's Black Dirt https://johnsblackdirt.bandcamp.com/album/horrible-moments-of-upness

Jul 20, 2026
Jul 20, 2026
20 min
LL029 It's Also Mermaid Tails
Rudine Sims Bishop once wrote, "Literature transforms human experience and reflects it back to us." But because human experience varies from person to person, what each of us sees also varies. When educators read to children, adult interpretations and goals for children too often get in the way of things; children live what they know of their lives. We continue our discussion with Cay Burton as they tell some of the stories from their research on Queer Circle Time. We keep circling back to the conclusion that our work as liberators is making a safe space for children and adults to express their many facets which includes their social identities but also their joys and fears. It can be a child feeling safe to express their gender, but it's also mermaid tails.
Cay's article can be downloaded using this link: https://journals.uvic.ca/index.php/jcs/issue/view/1643
Cayley Burton (she/they) has a Master of Education (MEd) in early childhood education from the University of British Columbia. Cayley is a queer early childhood educator, researcher, advocate, and writer living on Treaty 7 territory in Calgary, Alberta (Mohkinstsis in Blackfoot). Email: cayburton@outlook.com
Kisa can be found at The Playlab Foundation and Mike at Inclusion Includes Us, on Instagram and Facebook. Their books are available at https://www.redleafpress.org/
Did you know you can support the hosting costs of The Early Childhood Nerdwork on Patreon, and get Discord access to talk nerdy with like-minded folks too? https://patreon.com/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd
Theme music by John's Black Dirt https://johnsblackdirt.bandcamp.com/album/horrible-moments-of-upness

Jul 13, 2026
Jul 13, 2026
25 min
This week we are joined by Cayley Burton to talk about their article, Queer Circle Time: Inviting Children’s Responses to 2SLGBTQI+ Picture Books. We talk about the importance of representation; children having mirrors that reflect an aspect of their experience. The talk quickly goes deeper and talks about the need for educators to take the time to let children express themselves authentically. When we move quickly, children may only give us the answer they think we want. Slowing down and actively listening to children allows us to hear their answers. We see their humanity when we approach with curiosity.
Cay's article can be downloaded using this link: https://journals.uvic.ca/index.php/jcs/issue/view/1643
Cayley Burton (she/they) has a master’s of education (MEd) in early childhood education from the University of British Columbia. Cayley is a queer early childhood educator, researcher, advocate, and writer living on Treaty 7 territory in Calgary, Alberta (Mohkinstsis in Blackfoot). Email: cayburton@outlook.com
Kisa can be found at The Playlab Foundation and Mike at Inclusion Includes Us, on Instagram and Facebook. Their books are available at https://www.redleafpress.org/
Did you know you can support the hosting costs of The Early Childhood Nerdwork on Patreon, and get Discord access to talk nerdy with like-minded folks too? https://patreon.com/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd
Theme music by John's Black Dirt https://johnsblackdirt.bandcamp.com/album/horrible-moments-of-upness

Jul 6, 2026
Jul 6, 2026
22 min
Actions speak louder than words, but words matter. The power is in matching words with actions. We teach a child to ask, "Is there anything I can do?" rather than "Sorry," so they understand that apologizing requires action, not just words. Coaching a teacher is more effective when you tell them one thing to focus on and then have them observe and try it out. Intentionality is the key whether using words, gestures or actions.
Kisa can be found at The Playlab Foundation and Mike at Inclusion Includes Us, on Instagram and Facebook. Their books are available at https://www.redleafpress.org/
Did you know you can support the hosting costs of The Early Childhood Nerdwork on Patreon, and get Discord access to talk nerdy with like-minded folks too? https://patreon.com/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd
Theme music by John's Black Dirt https://johnsblackdirt.bandcamp.com/album/horrible-moments-of-upness

Jun 29, 2026
Jun 29, 2026
30 min
Being an educator is vulnerable because we are showing an early draft of our authentic self. We can't improve our practice until we let others see how we show up. Then we need to let the children and our co-workers inspire us to be our best educator self. Like everything, we may feel a bit of imposter syndrome when we try something new, but over time, we can integrate practices that are working and come closer to our ideal. The trick is that we always have to be OK with realizing that there is no end point. There is always more to learn.
Kisa and Mike refer to the Everything ECE Podcast episode, Why Movement Comes Before Mindfulness with Lisa Danahy https://podcast.elfoundations.com/playlist/WvbVjPR8by/file/6NKzrrXvDz
Kisa can be found at The Playlab Foundation and Mike at Inclusion Includes Us, on Instagram and Facebook. Their books are available at https://www.redleafpress.org/
Did you know you can support the hosting costs of The Early Childhood Nerdwork on Patreon, and get Discord access to talk nerdy with like-minded folks too? https://patreon.com/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd
Theme music by John's Black Dirt https://johnsblackdirt.bandcamp.com/album/horrible-moments-of-upness

Jun 22, 2026
Jun 22, 2026
20 min
Listening to others means more than simply hearing the words that are spoken. Young children have the same complicated feelings adults do, but they have limited ways to express those feelings. What the child is feeling internally matters. This calls upon the adults caring for that child to take on the child's perspective when listening to them. And like much of what we learn from caring for children, this also applies to when we interact with adults who may come from a different cultural perspective.
Kisa can be found at The Playlab Foundation and Mike at Inclusion Includes Us, on Instagram and Facebook. Their books are available at https://www.redleafpress.org/
Did you know you can support the hosting costs of The Early Childhood Nerdwork on Patreon, and get Discord access to talk nerdy with like-minded folks too? https://patreon.com/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd
Theme music by John's Black Dirt https://johnsblackdirt.bandcamp.com/album/horrible-moments-of-upness



