LL002 Finding Our Way to Liberation

Kisa starts with a story about a child bringing a big stick back from the park, but the conversation quickly pivots to the nature of freedom and exercising power over, for and with others. Later, Kisa says that she prefers taking the back roads rather than the highway. This conversation is proof. 

Kisa can be found at The Playlab Foundation and Mike at Inclusion Includes Us, on Instagram and Facebook. Their books are available at https://www.redleafpress.org/ 

Theme music by John's Black Dirt https://johnsblackdirt.bandcamp.com/album/horrible-moments-of-upness